For an interesting take on this topic (though far from an "authoritative" answer), I'd suggest the following reading:
The Darth Side
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Star Wars Philosophy Thread
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 theblackwren |
Re: Palpatine's intentions | |||
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Posts: 153 (07/04/05 23:31)
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Siths Herald |
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Posts: 3300 (07/05/05 07:43)
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That was fairly awesome. It was so hard to think of Vader like this before ROTS. Since seeing it, and especially in watching ANH again, he becomes a very tragic fallen hero.
That was always the original vision, but writings like this help to bring it out. --------------
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theblackwren |
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Posts: 153 (07/05/05 08:47)
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Yeah. I was pretty floored by it. I found it totally by chance.
I was also impressed by the author's sense of humor. (paraphrase) "Slow day today. Made Jerjerrodd cry." Hilarious. |
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theblackwren |
The Prophecy | |||
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Posts: 153 (07/12/05 22:09)
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Another topic I was wondering about, which I've rarely heard discussed in any depth:
Anakin is apparently so special because of "The Prophecy," of which Mace Windu details about ~ "The [Chosen] One who will bring Balance to the Force." Obi-Wan later laments that it was foretold he would "Destroy the Sith, not join them," and "Bring Balance to the Force, not leave It in Darkness." Aside from these lines, I don't recall much exploration of the Prophecy concerning Anakin, and was wondering a few things about it, about which I'd like to hear opinions/explanations. First of all, what does it mean to "bring Balance" to the Force? As far as I can see, this action is highly subjective, and could be interpreted in many, many ways. Most prophecies are like this, and it seems the Jedi thought one thing, while something else entirely different happened. Not knowing exactly what bringing Balance entails, a whole host of questions come to mind. How could any of the Jedi be so apparently complacent with accepting Anakin as the Chosen One? Did Anakin restore Balance (as opposed to, say, Luke)? When? Through what actions (there could be several here)? Was he really the Chosen One? There's no doubt in my mind that Anakin was a very important person in Galactic History here. Pivotal, even. But I wonder about the introduction of the Prophecy as a story element and the very scant amount of exploration surrounding it. Thoughts? Responses? Counterpoints? Speculations? 
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Darth Brain |
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Posts: 248 (07/14/05 14:50)
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An easy answer is that Vader threw the Empreror down the reactor shaft killing him and ending the reign of the Sith. In that way, he eventually brought some ballance to the force which had tetered heavily toward the dark side after the clone wars.
I just finshed the novilization however, and it is very obvious that Yoda and Mace have no idea what the prophecy really means. There is a very small line about how there are legions of Jedi casting light on the Force, yet the dark has needed only two Sith to totally muddy the waters. They are very sure that they don't really know what Anakin's role in all of it is supposed to be. I think they do state that the prochecy never mentions Jedi and Sith. I think that was some conjecture and interpretation in Obi-Wan's part. I've also thought for a while that since there are thousands of Jedi, and only two Sith, maybe he is meant to help swing the balance the other way. Why do the Jedi assume that they are on the losing side of the Balance in TPM. Maybe the prophecy means that they need to be knocked down a peg. In the end of ROTS, there are two Sith, and there are Two Jedi. Seems pretty balanced to me. __________________
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bocrebjedi |
Re: The Prophecy | |||
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Posts: 1538 (07/14/05 15:39) His Worshipfulness
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WOW, that was very insightful of you Brain. I didn't know you had it in you. I figured you'd be scared by that that Darth Vader throwing the Emperor down the shaft bit, but you didn't run away from it like a little mouse...or a deer.
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Darth Brain |
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Posts: 248 (07/20/05 07:53)
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You didn't know I had it in me? You must be daft. I represent the single most intelligent species on this planet.
As you surely know, this planet is nothing more than a supercomputer built to calculate unanswerable questions, like "What does the dryer do with the other sock?" Creating philosophers was one of the simplest subprograms we concocted. In fact, their importance to the operation of this system is about par with the importanct of 'Pong' on your PC. In other words, we mice can philosophize in our sleep. In this particular case however, there was no philosophy involved. It was simply a matter of expressing the unquestionable superiority of the Sith. __________________
"What are we going to do tonight, Darth Brain?" "The same thing we do every night. Run in the wheel, Nibble on that little bell shaped seed thingy, and try to take over the GALAXY! |
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Dougie Doright |
Re: The Prophecy | |||
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Posts: 3194 (07/21/05 00:47)
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Siths Herald |
Sound Effects | |||
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Posts: 3300 (10/20/05 08:08)
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So, why do blasters make noise?
The easy answer is "It looks (or sounds) good on film." But really, they are light weapons. The shoot concentrated beams of light energy. Light cannot break the sound barrier and emit a sonic boom since it is not a particle. Otherwise, everytime you turn on the porchlight, you would get thunder. So what is special about blasters? Is there supposed to be something mixed into their maku-up that would scream when moving through the atmosphere? --------------
"Come on then Kenobi! Come for me!" he said. "I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Lord Tyranus himself!" "Do you mean Count Dooku? What a curious coincidence," Obi-Wan said with a deceptively pleasant smile. "I trained the man who killed him." |
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Jedi Doright |
Re: Sound Effects | |||
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Posts: 6115 (10/23/05 00:31)
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A lazer or light weapon would be a solid beam of light that would reach out and connect to the target at the speed of light while still being connected to the weapon. It can not travel as a short beam of light where you can phyiscally see it moving across the room. So by that thought alone the weapons in Star Wars can NOT be Light weapons. So this is what I think. They are blasters not lazers. They don't fire light. They fire what I guess to be some kind of Charged partical. Most likely a charged ball of plasma made from heated and charged Tibana gas! But it could be anything really. That ball of glowing Plasma is what breaks the sound barrier as it flys across the room at supersonic speeds.  ------------
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Siths Herald |
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Posts: 3300 (10/24/05 07:50)
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At one point I read something about the "bolt" that you see, being akin to a tracer on a machine gun. I.E. something that is thrown in every few rounds, pulses, etc, to help you aim the weapon that would have an otherwize invisible beam.
Myn Donos' sniper rifle in the X-Wing books had no "bolt", since the tracer feature was not included. This makes an actual laser a little more probable. The fact that we can see the bolts also means that they are not moving anywhere near light speed. In fact, they're slower than a speeding bullet. Perhaps the sound is associated with the makeup of the visible bolt. ??? --------------
"Come on then Kenobi! Come for me!" he said. "I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Lord Tyranus himself!" "Do you mean Count Dooku? What a curious coincidence," Obi-Wan said with a deceptively pleasant smile. "I trained the man who killed him." |
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Jedi Doright |
Re: Sound Effects | |||
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Posts: 6115 (10/25/05 01:10)
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Quote: They coat the tip of the bullet with phospherous. Quote: Well now to bring the games into the fray. Just take the Jedi knight/outcast games. There are Blasters in those games and then the "Sniper Rifle" you get is called a disrupter. But the difference in those weapons is that the blasters fire a bolt that flies out while the disrupter sends out a beam that is much more in line with a laser beam connecting the emitter to the target. So I guess that is my long winded explanation that it's possible Myn's weapon is a Laser while Blasters are firing a charged projectile of energy. There is noting say that the universe can't have both. I guess the "sound" is more than just a sonic boom since they don't sound like a gun shot. There is a certain power sound to them that could be attributed to the charging up of what ever is fired out the barrel followed by a sonic boom though due to the speed it is perceived as being instantaneous. ------------
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Siths Herald |
Re: Sound Effects | |||
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Posts: 3300 (10/25/05 08:01)
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Quote: It didn't make it into all of the movies, but when the stormtroopers are chasing the heros in the Death Star in ANH, there is a defnite "crack" sound along with the signature "wrench on a wire" sound Ben Burt created for the blaster noise. The crack sounds very much like a gunshot, but it is buried under the other sound a little. This did not get cqrried into all of the films, so it was maybe supposed to be something particular to a Blastech carbine. --------------
"Come on then Kenobi! Come for me!" he said. "I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Lord Tyranus himself!" "Do you mean Count Dooku? What a curious coincidence," Obi-Wan said with a deceptively pleasant smile. "I trained the man who killed him." |
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Siths Herald |
Vader's armor | |||
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Posts: 3300 (10/25/05 08:12)
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Switching gears...
Darth Vader's armor. When Vader is burned up on Mustafar, Sidious comes to his rescue and proceeds to get him the Empire's best medical treatment. Since time is of the essence in a burn case such as Vader's, we can assume that the time form the rescue to the armor application was minimal. Not more than a few days anyway. Given that short interval, the question is this? How did Sidious have Vader's armor ready so quickly? I think there are three scenarios. 1. Sidious knew something like this would happen to his new apprentice and prepared for the day ahead of time. 2. The components of the armor are fairly common and available to trauma units. Maybe Sidious upgraded to black, but the parts were there and waiting. I think this could be true of most of his outfit, but I doubt that there were stock Death's Head helmets sitting on a shelf somewhere. 3. Everything was custom built in an extremely short lead time. This is a hybrid of the other two scenarios. The prosthesis and life support systems were probably stock parts that need to be customized to individual trauma cases. Sidious knew something would happen to his rash young pupil too though. Because of this, he had designed a bodysuit and helmet that he would have his enforcer wear when the accident, whatever it was, actually occured. Perhaps he had gone so far as to have the helmet made ahead of time and customized with specific life support equipment when he knew what was needed. Any other thoughts? --------------
"Come on then Kenobi! Come for me!" he said. "I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Lord Tyranus himself!" "Do you mean Count Dooku? What a curious coincidence," Obi-Wan said with a deceptively pleasant smile. "I trained the man who killed him." |
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Jedi Doright |
Re: Vader's armor | |||
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Posts: 6115 (10/26/05 00:30)
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Those work.
I have another thought that could work too. Maybe we just didn't see the scenes in chronological order. For one Palps already KNEW padme was dead. But if the timing of the scenes was correct she would have died about the same time Vader was "born" Now granted Palps could have felt it maybe through the force but it's much more likely that Vader was put into some kind of preservation unit and the scene of him going into the armor was actually some time between Padme's death and her state funeral which would have been at least a week or two later. ------------
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Siths Herald |
Re: Vader's armor | |||
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Posts: 3300 (10/26/05 07:44)
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I think Palpatine either
A. did not know for certain she was dead, and told Vader that to make sure he knew there was nothing of his humanity worth hanging on to, cementing his place in the Dark Side, or B. made certain she was dead by killing her through the Force. After all, I beleive she would not been in any danger during childbirth at all if Anakin hadn't decided to search for a way, through the Dark Side to save her. --------------
"Come on then Kenobi! Come for me!" he said. "I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Lord Tyranus himself!" "Do you mean Count Dooku? What a curious coincidence," Obi-Wan said with a deceptively pleasant smile. "I trained the man who killed him." |
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Jedi Doright |
Re: Vader's armor | |||
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Posts: 6115 (10/26/05 23:22)
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I'll take door B.
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Dougie Doright |
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theblackwren |
Re: Vader's armor | |||
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Posts: 153 (11/05/05 21:59)
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Something I've wondered about: Why on earth did Vader intercede between Boba Fett and Chewbacca when the Wookiee started tossing Stormtroopers about like old toys?
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Jedi Doright |
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Posts: 6115 (11/06/05 03:04)
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He still needed his bait I think.
If the shooting started and they took Chewy down Han would have attacked and most likely got killed too. ------------
Dougie Doright |
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Siths Herald |
Could have stopped it all before it started... | |||
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Posts: 3300 (06/21/06 11:17)
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I was watching TPM with my three year old the other day and it struck me, Padme seemed to abhore the idea that slavery still existed in the galaxy.
Qui-Gon managed to win and free Anakin. Padme Amidala, the rich and powerful queen of Naboo, saw how Anakin's seperation from his mother was affecting him. If she was compassionate at all, she would have sent someone back to Tatooine to purchase Shmi and free her, allowing her to reunite with Anakin. Granted, Padme had many other things on her mind directly following her departure from Tatooine, but you can't tell me in the subsequent ten years she could not have freed Shmi... unless she just didn't care all that much (which seems likely). Just think though, if Shmi had been freed, Anakin would not have dipped inot the dark side the way he did killing the Tuskens. If his mother was around, he may never have turned to Palpatine for a confidant and authority figure. A free Shmi could very likely have meant no Darth Vader. __________________
Oh no. I think you will find it is you who are mistaken... about a great many things. |
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