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SamJediofEarth |
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A similar argument could be used for Luke as well. Yoda didn't want him trained for his being "too old." He knew what happened to his father, training when he was "too old" too. And Luke has a harder time than Anakin did anyway.
Great, lost my train of thought... "The Force is everything, and everything is the Force. There is no dark side. The Force is one, eternal and indivisible. You need worry about no darkness save that in your own heart." -Vergere
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Jedi Doright |
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Quote: There is a lot to this I think but I think the Attachments were not the big problem. It was the Jedi not having them so they didn't know how to deal with someone who did. IF they trained Jedi to react to Loss of a love one.. If they trained Jedi To deal with attachments.. then Anakin could have had better tools to deal with things that happen in Ep2 and 3. What was the Jedi plan to deal with Shimi? Just ignore it and tell Anakin his dreams would pass in time. Instead of going out their getting Shimi out of slavery and giving Anakin peace of mind about his mom. But instead they just swept it under the covers. The Jedi were Attachment less for far too long and were completely unprepared for a Student who did have some. In the time of KOTOR and or Tales of the Jedi we see that the Jedi order Discouraged these things and warned of the Dangers but never went and far as to make them Forbidden. Thus Jedi of those ages had a bit more experience dealing with attachement/Darkside issues and were able to better prepare the students. ------------------
Dougie-Doright "You want a piece of me? I'll give you the whole Damn Pie!" www.minnesotaforce.org |
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Minnesota Jones |
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That's a good way to look at it.... Well done Dougie!
And maybe that's why Luke's ok with attachement (specifically his to Mara) in the EU, since he's already dealt with it, knows the feel of the darkside, and how to pull himself back... I'm sure with Anakin thou, it was 50/50, the emotions were definately a factor, but so was ol' Sidious helping along the way pulling his strings.... ----------------
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Siths Herald |
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That all makes sense too.
As for Luke, Yoda did think he was to old, but perhaps his upbringing prepared him for the rigors better. They way I see it, he had two things going for him. 1. He was older and more mature than Anakin was in E1, perhaps making him less likely to make rash decisions, and more likely to think things through. And 2. He was raised on a farm in a stable family. Though he knew Owen and Beru were not his parents by blood, they were by circumstance and they gave him a functional family environment in which to learn some solid values. In addition, life on a farm tends to prepare people for hard work and responsibility. Anakin, in contrast might have been very confused as a youth. While he undoubtedly had to work very hard as well, he might wonder why he was a slave when others were free. He probably also asked about his family situation, and about his father. Shmi couldn't even tell Annie that his dad was a no good drunk that left when he was two. She couldn't tell him anything, because she didn't know. It had to be very frustrating and confusing. --------------
Mace Windu: "It is odd-in an apprehensive, premonition-of-dreadful-tragedy sort of way..." Nick Rostu:"Um, does that appre-pre-whatever of dreadful tragedy by any chance translate into Basic as 'I have a bad feeling about this?'" |
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Jedi Doright |
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Quote: I think one could interpret that statement as just yoda Testing Luke and not something yoda actually believed. I mean who else was there to train? Leia? She's the same age. Anakin Reacted with Anger when told the very same thing in Episode 1. Yoda saw/felt this in Anakin and I think he may have been fishing a little bit with Luke to see if he had the same reaction as his dad did. But when Luke reacted with Determination instead of Anger.. I think he passed the test. ------------------
Dougie-Doright "You want a piece of me? I'll give you the whole Damn Pie!" www.minnesotaforce.org |
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Minnesota Jones |
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One other thing with Luke is his heart was in the right with wanting to learn and help others with his powers. Yoda could sense that too. And being a tough time for the galaxy, he had to overlook the "age" problem with Luke. I think what got Anakin in the door was the whole Chosen One thing. If he wasn't the "Chosen One" - they never would have taught him...
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jedi55406 |
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i think jedi can love but in a father/son type of way like obi-wan & qui-gon or obi-wan & anakin
what do think anyone, anyone at all |
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Jedi Doright |
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I Agree Compleatly. Obiwan and Quigon did have a very strong Father Son Bond.
Anakin says Obiwan is like a Father to him but maybe Older Brother would have been a better discription. Love is something I am sure many Jedi fall into. Many fight it off though. We see examples of this in the books from time to time. Aalya and Quinlin Vos, Quigon and that Blind Jedi gal(name escapes me), ect. |
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Siths Herald |
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I think, as far as the comics go, we have actually seen a few more sparks fly between Aayla and Kit Fisto. I don't remember which issues.
I agree though. The parent/child bond is common between padawans and masters. Although the prequal era Jedi had their reasons for forbidding attachments, it is obvious from other EU sources that it was not always this way. I think a Jdei developing a spoucal attachment probably just proved too much for them to handle in many cases so the Order adopted the policy we see in AOTC. --------------
Mace Windu: "It is odd-in an apprehensive, premonition-of-dreadful-tragedy sort of way..." Nick Rostu:"Um, does that appre-pre-whatever of dreadful tragedy by any chance translate into Basic as 'I have a bad feeling about this?'" |
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jedi55406 |
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i know firsthand the bond between master & student being a marshal art stuendt i know the bond well and i know the pane of los of a student well to i think for obi-wan and anakin to the bond they need they both must get over there demons
anai must get over his past & obi must get over quigon-jinn's deth what do you think a lille zen in star wars form nick |
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Dougie Doright |
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It'd be hard for obiwan to get over Quigon's death I think. Expecally when things start going bad with Anakin. I am sure there will be plenty of times where Obiwan will be thinking to himself that "I'm sure Quigon could have done better"
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rebadams7 |
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There will always be a bigger fish - I recall GL saying he wanted to do a story where one could see how someone good could turn so very bad.....a recent quote from Hayden Christiansen said something like (I paraphrase) I really like episode 3 the best - George is really good at telling the story and going dark. Luke really is their new hope, their second chance to get it right and re balance the galaxy... Yoda and Obi Wan know this time what they need to do - and not do in order to give the best chance for success to Luke
IMHO] Reb Este-ce qui La Force soit avec toi Toujours!
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Dougie Doright |
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cool Quote.
Sorry if some posts were missing today. Missed one of the messed up sig lines.. All fixed now. |
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Siths Herald |
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Here's another deep thought... (????)
Once a being becomes a Sith Lord and is given a new name, is Darth the first name or a title? When Obi-Wan faces Vader on the Death Star, he referres to him as Darth, as though it were a name. On the other hand, it seems likely that it is a title just because they all get the same name. Who knows, maybe it's just like George Forman's kids all being named George. --------------
Mace Windu: "It is odd-in an apprehensive, premonition-of-dreadful-tragedy sort of way..." Nick Rostu:"Um, does that appre-pre-whatever of dreadful tragedy by any chance translate into Basic as 'I have a bad feeling about this?'" |
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Minnesota Jones |
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Can't say for certain since I'm going off just the movies and haven't read any books that may have dealt with this. But, I'd say Vader, Maul, Sidious, etc are names as Vader is called Lord Vader a few times. But Darth, could be either, a title or a name.....
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Siths Herald |
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That's true, but then again, they call Tarkin Governer when his official title is Moff. ???
I don't know that the books explain it either. Before Darth Bane, they all had their own names. (Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd, etc.) although I understand there is a Darth or two in KOTOR. --------------
Mace Windu: "It is odd-in an apprehensive, premonition-of-dreadful-tragedy sort of way..." Nick Rostu:"Um, does that appre-pre-whatever of dreadful tragedy by any chance translate into Basic as 'I have a bad feeling about this?'" |
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Minnesota Jones |
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If I had to guess, I'd say originally it was a name to Uncle Lucas, then by the prequels, it became a title.
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Siths Herald |
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The secondary names definitely has some significance to the character.
If you look up the Webster's definitions of bane (Bane), insidious (Sidious), maul (Maul), tyrant (Tyrannus), and invader (Vader) they are all very fitting for the character they are assigned to. Maybe ROTS will give us a little insight into the source of a Darth. Anakin will need to get his new name afterall. --------------
Mace Windu: "It is odd-in an apprehensive, premonition-of-dreadful-tragedy sort of way..." Nick Rostu:"Um, does that appre-pre-whatever of dreadful tragedy by any chance translate into Basic as 'I have a bad feeling about this?'" |
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Dougie Doright |
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I think Obiwan may have been Over stating the "Darth" to drive his point about Anakin being Evil now
Just like you may call someone "Doctor". You'd say "yes Doctor" instead of "yes Doctor Jones" Or something like that. |
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jfren484 |
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I think Darth is definitely a title now, although it may have been parth of Vader's name in ANH (like Mike said). Certainly what Doug said about calling someone by their title only is true, so it could be either one. With several more Darths now, though, I think it can be viewed as a title.
As far as why they call Tarkin "Governor Tarkin": in the military one's rank and one's title are not always the same. In the navy (at least in the US Navy, but I think in most navies this is true) the person in charge on a ship/boat is always called "Captain" regardless of rank. It's not uncommon, especially in wartime, for someone with the rank of Commander (one rank below the official navy rank of Captain) to be the "Captain" on a boat. They'd be called "Captain Jones" and not "Commander Jones". So Tarkin's title is Grand Moff, but his job is Governor. Calling him either one would be correct (although one or the other might be more appropriate in different circumstances). "There are 10 kinds of people in the universe. Those who understand binary and those who don't." - C-3PO |
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