Mace Windu: "It is odd-in an apprehensive, premonition-of-dreadful-tragedy sort of way..."
Nick Rostu:"Um, does that appre-pre-whatever of dreadful tragedy by any chance translate into Basic as 'I have a bad feeling about this?'"
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Siths Herald |
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I though I would throw this out as a place to discuss questions and ponder about the SW universe without getting too many smart@$$ answers
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Mace Windu: "It is odd-in an apprehensive, premonition-of-dreadful-tragedy sort of way..." Nick Rostu:"Um, does that appre-pre-whatever of dreadful tragedy by any chance translate into Basic as 'I have a bad feeling about this?'" |
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Siths Herald |
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I'll throw the first one out. Those of use that follow the EU read about Glitterstim all the time. For those that don't, this is what Han was smuggling and had to dump that caused Jabba to put the bounty on him.
We read about it being mined, in an Imperial prison, on Kessel. It is also implied that for some, it is no more effective on the system than suger. However, since the Hutts are involved and since Solo was a smuggler, it is ovbiously not legal for everyone to transport it. My question is this, is Glitterstim actually a controlled substance? Is it illegal? --------------
Mace Windu: "It is odd-in an apprehensive, premonition-of-dreadful-tragedy sort of way..." Nick Rostu:"Um, does that appre-pre-whatever of dreadful tragedy by any chance translate into Basic as 'I have a bad feeling about this?'" |
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CGI Yoda |
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I am pretty sure that glittersim (sp) is a controlled substance.
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SamJediofEarth |
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I'm not totally sure about this, but my take on glitterstim was that is was a powder, like cocaine, that was sniffed. I think I read in one of the books that it gave some users a temporary telekinetic hallucination-aka, the ability to read minds. This might have been some other drug and also it was used by a different species than humans.
I have a question of my own. I am currently almost through book one of the Black Fleet Crisis, and, as many know, this is where Luke goes on a journey to his mother's home world. But, as we all know, the homeworld is Naboo, and Padme Amidala is completely different than the woman described in the story. Should the segments concerning Luke's search be totally ignored, or is there some connection between Padme in the movies and the woman in the book? "The Force is everything, and everything is the Force. There is no dark side. The Force is one, eternal and indivisible. You need worry about no darkness save that in your own heart." -Vergere
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mirax80 |
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The way I understood it was that glittersim WAS illegal. But the way everyone tries to hid it all the time, just like druggies.
The Black Fleet Crisis? I've read it - I've ignored it. It seemed like just pillow fluffing that has nothing to do with nothing. __________________
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Jedi Doright |
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Not sure.
I saw it more like Proabition and Alcohol. Maybe that's just trying to a bit more positive about it instead of looking at Han as a Drug runner. Only certain types of Spice mess with your head and give you ESP power. Other Levels are just like Alcohol or maybe Even Asprin depending on the story you read. ------------------
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Siths Herald |
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As for the Black Fleet question, you'll have to finish that trilogy for your answer.
With the glitterstim, they way it is talked about and moved around makes me think it would be comparable to drugs, but the fact that the government endorsed the production of it (on Kessel) is what raised the question. I like the prohibition twist. That makes more sence. It could also be that it is illegally smuggled because it is not ilegal, but the govenrment wants to control the distribution. When it is all said and done though, Han was smuggling illeagally for a crime lord. He was not smuggling medical supplies and food into a blockaded planet. He was not a shiney nice guy at the beginning of ANH, which adds incredible depth to the character. That actually leads to another question. Based on what you know of Han and his background, do you prefer that he or Greedo shot first? I personally like the idea of this tetering ont he edge of right and wrong when we first meet him. I like that he shot Greedo in cold blood in the original version. It's not until he is given a cause to beleive in, and a woman that shows him that cause, that he is redeemed. --------------
Mace Windu: "It is odd-in an apprehensive, premonition-of-dreadful-tragedy sort of way..." Nick Rostu:"Um, does that appre-pre-whatever of dreadful tragedy by any chance translate into Basic as 'I have a bad feeling about this?'" |
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Minnesota Jones |
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I don't mind Han shooting first. He knew Greedo was going to turn him in, or kill him, or kill him, THEN turn him in. He also had to get going and didn't want a huge firefight in the bar, as innocents could get hurt, and slow him down, so he "dealt" with the situation.
Indy's morality is very much the same way in things like that. He's a professor of Archeology, a studied schollar, yet has no qualms about getting into fistfights OR shooting people. Heck, he shot the swordsman in "cold blood" before they even started to fight. So, is he still "moral" in that sense? Just things that make you go "hmmmmmmmmmmmm....." ----------------
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Siths Herald |
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H. Ford's characters used to rock. Lately, not so much.
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Mace Windu: "It is odd-in an apprehensive, premonition-of-dreadful-tragedy sort of way..." Nick Rostu:"Um, does that appre-pre-whatever of dreadful tragedy by any chance translate into Basic as 'I have a bad feeling about this?'" |
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Minnesota Jones |
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That's why us members of the "Harrison Garrison" won't be found in Hollywood Homicide or Random Hearts costumes.... ha!
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Jedi Doright |
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Greedo had a gun pointed at him. Han was 100% in the right to blast him even without greedo shooting.
Even by todays law enforcement Standards once the gun is pointed at you or someone else deadly force is authorized. Actually once the gun is in the process of being pointed at someone its authorized. So if the gun is being drawn or lifted it doesn't have to actually reach a point where it's pointed at someone for an officer to be justified in the use of Deadly Force. Greedo was already in a fireing position and thus Han had every right to use the force he did without having to wait Till Greedo shot first. ------------------
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Vader2k |
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Amen to that!
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jedi55406 |
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i was watch tpm the other day and i thought that anakin's mouth was the many reson that council forbid him to train i mean th whole "what dose that got to do with anything" was mouthing off and can't tell me that get smart with the jedi master is not disrespectful so that's they said what they said
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SamJediofEarth |
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Hmm, that could be part, but the reason behind Anakin's mouth is more likely. Anakin was scared and nervous, as Yoda pointed out, and like most 9-year-old boys are
they get defensive when threatened. Kind of foreshadows what potential he has and the evil within...or something like that. "The Force is everything, and everything is the Force. There is no dark side. The Force is one, eternal and indivisible. You need worry about no darkness save that in your own heart." -Vergere
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mirax80 |
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Your post should have been in here jedi 55406... I don't see the need where it needs it own thread.
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*Toad the Choad* "That's not the years, it's the parsecs." ~Han Solo "That's not the years, it's the miles." ~Indiana Jones ...Coincidence? I think not. ;) :D |
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jedi55406 |
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what i'm trying to say is that anakin should't not get away with all that he dose not if he's "the one" i think now i know what your going say but i think lille anai need to be knock across a room for what he dose rogue planet you red the book.
going to race in a race that's against the law when everyone can tell he's jedi and then he almost get him and obi-wan killed and he gets away scott free my point here is he would not have become vader if they would have just keeped him in line you i think the end of the jedi order would not hapined then |
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mirax80 |
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Oh yeah, I agree with you. If they would have just smacked Anni up a bit, he might have turned out better (expecially between 2&3)
Thing is, parts 4,5,&6 were written waaaaay before 1,2,&3. So, with the great time gap that was between the trilogies, they have to basically pull 1,2,&3 out of where the sun don't shine to get them all to lead up to 4. If they were to re-write 1,2&3 to where Anni was "in line" that would make 4,5,&6 null and void. And no, I have not read Rogue Planet yet... I haven't gotten around to it. __________________
*Toad the Choad* "That's not the years, it's the parsecs." ~Han Solo "That's not the years, it's the miles." ~Indiana Jones ...Coincidence? I think not. ;) :D |
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jedi55406 |
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HAY MIRAX80 what i'm saying is that anni is makeing the jedi look bad and every time anai mess up the council goes to obi-won and get on his case now i'm not saying that obi should smack anni up & down i'm saying that he should do something to make anni act like a jedi
i can't wate to meet the club and you in prson i love debates like this i hope we have lots more nick |
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Minnesota Jones |
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I don't think it's a matter of keeping Anakin in line. Anakin was "too old" to begin training. And he had a lot of "extra baggage" most Jedi don't have. A former life with a mother he loved very much and just couldn't up and forget. Plus meeting Padme at that age, he was so smitten, he keep thinking of her as well.
If you watch Ep. II, in the Garage after he slaughtered the Tuskins, he shook off the Darkside from him, and says... "I'm better than this..." He really is trying to be a good Jedi, it's just harder for him as he has all these feelings and emotions going on inside him he can't ignore. Obi-Wan, and the rest were all "plucked away" as infants, therefore, no "emotional" attachments to worry about, as they didn't grow up with their families and have those attachements develop. But Anakin know's his place, he's just showing his age and maturity at that time in a lot of those Episode II events. Again, had his first 9 years taken place WITH the Jedi, he would not have those attachements, AND the proper mental training to be a much different 19 year old... So take an emotionally distraught (but still trying his best) Jedi, add a dark Sith Lord with the means to corrupt him, throw a few bad events (i.e.: Mother passing away due to bad circumstances....) and you have the makings of the next powerful Sith Lord on the block.... Edit, I'm just going off the movies as I've only read a couple of the SW books, being the Thrawn Trilogy and Shadows of the Empire. ----------------
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rebadams7 |
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Anakin could not be "The Chosen One" without having to struggle to achieve balance in himself in the Force. Part of the problem with "the Jedi Order" at that point was their divorce of the caring emotions and bonds that for much of the rest of the galaxy - when ANakin was found it was to begin to bring balance - but the order just tried to push all that out of Anakin - instead of helping him deal with it.......with tragic consequences
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Siths Herald |
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On many levels, perhaps they should have disciplined Anakin more for the stunts he pulled. He was representing the Order and may have cast a bad light on it, but consider the following three points.
1- Many of the impulsive things he did may have been wrong only in the eyes of the Jedi, not the general public. And often, they resulted in the greater good. His methods were just rash and skewed. 2- How many folks in the general population knew how a Jedi was supposed to act? They were untouchable and the stuff of legend to many people. When those people saw a Jedi do something, right or wrong, they may have been too overwhelmed by seeing the Jedi, that they did not even register the moral implications of what they saw. 3- Those who did have close contact with the order were often disenfranchised by what they saw. In the EU we have already seen countless stories of parents who lost a child to the Order, or of Temple employees who had no respect for the Jedi because of their frequent aloofness. Seeing Anakin act the way he did, just cemented their opinions. All that being said, I think there is alot to say for the theory of him being too old and emotionally developed. Those emotions drove many of his decisions. However, it is probable that those emotions fueled his strength in the Force. The Jedi knew how powerful emotions could make a force wielder. That is why the code ends with "There is no emotion, there is the Force." However, they blinded themselves to some degree my adopting the philosophy early on. All in all, should they have disciplined more Annie for his behavior? Yes. Would it have stopped him from becoming who he was? Very unlikely. --------------
Mace Windu: "It is odd-in an apprehensive, premonition-of-dreadful-tragedy sort of way..." Nick Rostu:"Um, does that appre-pre-whatever of dreadful tragedy by any chance translate into Basic as 'I have a bad feeling about this?'" |
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